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ChristianK
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« on: February 21, 2009, 01:38:19 PM »

Gentlemen,
I am just building (i.e. carve+scratch) the Amodel I-16 Type 5 kit and wonder how the seat in this early version might have looked like. Was it the one with the seat shell separated from the headrest or was it a "full" seat?
Walkarounds in the Web don't help here (I don't trust those restaurations), as well as the Armada or Midland publications. So could anyone help here with a contemporary interior shot?

Cheers,
Christian
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marluc
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« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2009, 04:49:19 PM »

Hello Christian:

As far as I know the seat was separated from the headrest because the type 5 had no back armour as on Type 10 and onwards.But during the war some Type 5 could have been retrofitted with the back armour and headrest.This is my interpretation of the Type 5 seat as I made it for a 1/48 model Iīm about to finish:

Itīs a seat taken from an Airfix Hurricane and modified.
And this is a page from Armada book by Maslov:

As you can see,thereīs a drawing of the seat and I think the Type 5 seat should be like this,with a cushion added to the upper portion.
I hope this information will help you,best regards:

Martin

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John Thompson
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« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2009, 07:49:43 PM »

How about this, from Pavla:
http://www.pavlamodels.cz/katalogy/detail.php?k=seats&c=S72038&styl=styly.css

John
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ChristianK
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« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2009, 08:57:25 AM »

Thank you Martin and John, the missing back armour was the information I was looking for. So I will go for the seat without integrated headrest. Is it for sure that there was an additional cushion or did the pilot's parachute fullfill this task?

In the meantime I found this picture in the Midland book:



This proofs Martins statement but there is also no cushion on the seat...

BTW: The Pavla seat looks very nice, but it seems to be not for the I-16, as it doesn't fits the drawing from Maslov. Who is right?

BTW2: Looks very good what you have there so far, Martin!
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« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2009, 11:45:21 AM »

Hi Christian! I thought the Pavla seat looked very similar to the seat shown in the drawing from Maslov's book, provided by Martin. My guess (and it's only a guess!) is that this seat was used in the Polikarpov biplanes, and carried over into the early I-16 types.

John
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marluc
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« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2009, 02:34:13 PM »

Hello Christian:

Thanks a lot for sharing this photo.I can se what looks like a padded section in vertical stripes on top of the backrest.

Is it for sure that there was an additional cushion or did the pilot's parachute fullfill this task?
Definitely,the pilot's parachute is the "cushion".

My guess (and it's only a guess!) is that this seat was used in the Polikarpov biplanes, and carried over into the early I-16 types.
I think that Johnīs guess is totally credible.Pavlaīs seat looks just like the I-15 seat Iīve seen in Maslovīs book dedicated to this plane.
Itīs great you like the work Iīve done,thanks a lot for your kind wordsi.If you want to see more just look for the Hobbycraft I-16 Type 5 WIP in the Modelling section.
Best regards:

Martin
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Massimo Tessitori
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« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2009, 12:10:06 AM »

Hi, Smiley
about the back cushion: I think that it's an optional, a thin cushion hold in place by laces. It appears on the drawings of the seat of MiG-3 too, but very rarely on photos.
The parachute bag should be under the pilot's back, in the lower seat recess, and acts as a cushion. Probably the parachute moves into an higher position when it opens and sustains the pilot.
I've seen somewhere photos of a UTI-4 preserved in Finland; I don't remember exactly how the seat was, but perhaps it worths a look. Who remembers where those photos are?
Massimo
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« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2009, 10:13:49 AM »


I've seen somewhere photos of a UTI-4 preserved in Finland; I don't remember exactly how the seat was, but perhaps it worths a look. Who remembers where those photos are?
Massimo


Here it is:
http://scalemodels.ru/modules/photo/viewcat_cid_246.html

John
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« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2009, 02:40:52 PM »

Looking further, here's a walkaround of an I-16 which shows some of the upper part of the seat to help confirm what's been said so far:
http://walkarounds.airforce.ru/avia/rus/polikarpov/i-16/

See this image in particular:
http://walkarounds.airforce.ru/avia/rus/polikarpov/i-16/vf_i-16_65.JPG

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« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2009, 03:39:59 PM »


And this is a page from Armada book by Maslov:

As you can see,thereīs a drawing of the seat and I think the Type 5 seat should be like this,with a cushion added to the upper portion.


I seem to have bought the wrong Maslov I-16 book, which doesn't have these drawings!  Sad The one I have is this one, which I bought a couple of years ago before the prices at Aviapress went insane:

http://www.aviapress.com/viewonekit.htm?EXP-021

Now I have the pleasure of hunting down another rare reference book!

John
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ChristianK
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« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2009, 04:31:19 PM »

Now I have the pleasure of hunting down another rare reference book!

John

Err, why don't you use the scan that Martin just posted?? Which kind of drawing does your edition of the Maslov book feature? If you want I could scan the drawings from my edition (which also has those drawings) and mail them to you..
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« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2009, 05:33:54 PM »

Err, why don't you use the scan that Martin just posted?? Which kind of drawing does your edition of the Maslov book feature? If you want I could scan the drawings from my edition (which also has those drawings) and mail them to you..

I'm guessing that the Armada book has more in it than just the drawings posted above. Actually I already found that image in a thread on Scalemodels.ru. The book I've got (which really was written by Mikhail Maslov) was published by Exprint in 2005. It is mostly photographs and Russian text, 48 pages, with a total of 8 colour profiles inside the front and back covers. The only drawings are on a fold-out page which attempts to show the differences among the various I-16 "types", although this is not very detailed.

Thank you for offering the scans - how many pages of drawings are there? I don't want to give you a lot of work! Wink My e-mail address is jthmpson(at)eol.ca, if you want to give it a try, though.

John
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ChristianK
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« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2009, 06:09:36 PM »

John, you got mail!
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« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2009, 05:46:01 AM »

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Looking further, here's a walkaround of an I-16 which shows some of the upper part of the seat to help confirm what's been said so far:
http://walkarounds.airforce.ru/avia/rus/polikarpov/i-16/

See this image in particular:
http://walkarounds.airforce.ru/avia/rus/polikarpov/i-16/vf_i-16_65.JPG

What a strange windshield!
I suppose that it is an original frame of late I-16 (or, at least, a fair imitation) but reversely mounted on the fuselage, and fitted with non-original clear parts.
Massimo
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marluc
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« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2009, 12:08:03 PM »

Hello Massimo:

What a strange windshield!

The text at the top of the page explains that the plane is an UTI-4 converted into a single seater.So,the windshield is strange because itīs the one for the back cockpit in the UTI version that wasnīt replaced.Please,take a look at the photo below to see what I mean:

I think the second cockpit windshield looks like the one in the "converted" I-16.
Best regards:

Martin
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